Kissing In Public...

After work today, before I went to get my new chair, I stopped by the record store to look for the debut album from Cavalera Conspiracy(Sepultura brothers). Didn't find the album, but did find the Mortal Kombat movies on DVD that I was looking for, so that was cool. As I began walking towards the back of the store to look at more movies, I see this clean cut preppy boy and his prissy little girlfriend standing there, then they began to kiss, with tongue. I absolutely hate that. I HATE that! Why must people do that in public? Why is it necessary? It's so disrespectful to others, especially lonely single people such as myself. I immediately turned red with anger and clenched my fists. After the guy took his tongue out of his girlfriend's mouth, I gave him a grim look, that look like you see on my Axe pictures. Then they left. Luckily, I was able to calm down quickly. The nice lady who works in the store sometimes was there today, and she said Hello and asked how I was doing.

A quick kiss is something I don't mind,
but seriously making out in public (in stores or on the street) is something that I think is unnecessary and just pff, ''stupid'',
there are situations, like in a station or at a bus stop, where like, the boy has to leave and stuff , and they give a kiss with tongue, but it doesn't take too long, it's acceptable.

your situation is different and IMO downright blah.

Be thankful it wasn't two men kissing. That is coming to a town near you.

I saw that once,
in the middle of the street,
I almost literally could see them exchanging saliva
it was the most horrible kiss I ever saw.
And it were 2 guys performing it.

Edit : don't take me wrong, I have nothing against gay people,
but I have no need to see them kssing like that in public.

Yeah, of course, when 2 people have to depart and say goodbye, it's Ok to do a nice hug and a quick kiss. I don't mind that so much. But what I saw today in the store, that was too much.

yeah, I'm with you on this one,
it's just over the top.

Ash wrote:

Be thankful it wasn't two men kissing.

WTF?
And now don't get me wrong, Matt... But I expexted different from you...

I could immagine kissing in public with my boyfriend... But not too much... It could be fun to shock, though...

In the metro in Paris, a couple was kissing just like that.
When the guy stepped out, the girl got stuck between the doors :') haha..(the metrodoors always close really quickly there)

Discipvlvs wrote:

Ash wrote:

Be thankful it wasn't two men kissing.

WTF?
And now don't get me wrong, Matt... But I expexted different from you...

As I stated above,
(and I indeed knew I was going to be misunderstood, that's why I first tried to edit out the fact that
I would've been, but it seems I failed at that.)
I have NOTHING against 'gays' nor bisexuals or lesbians.
But I just don't have any need of seeing them kiss like that in public.
That wasn't even kissing anymore, ok,
it was almost in the middle of the night in front of a holebi-cafe,
and there was a party going on , so they were most probably tipsy or drunk.
But that does not justify the fact that ANYONE, no matter what their sexual preference is,
were doing something that I think should be done in private.

My post sounds a bit wrong/condemning now I read it again,
do notice the hour it was written too, 3.44am,
not exactly the hour I'm the most sharply thinking of how I could say something.

If it were a girl and a guy doing that I would've been as disgusted,
just the fact that Ash brought up '2 guys' reminded me of that incident.

I apologise for the fact that I might've sound too harsh, I wasn't expressing myself well enough.
And you know about my family, so yeah, you're right, I should've react less hard on that.

The fact is just that I wasn't too happy when I saw it, I was also very young, about 14y old or something,
so I had even less knowledge about it all.

I hope this post explains my motivation behind my post ?
Please, if it does, PM me about it, I wouldn't want there to be a misunderstanding bro.

It's OK Matty...

I know I may also have overreacted... You know the gay-issue is very close to me and one of few (of not the only) matters that can really piss me off...
I sure hope there won't be a discussion about the morals of gay relationships on this forum... Things like that have hurt me many times...
For those on JM that don't know: I like guys over girls...

Edited by Matt,
talked about through PM.

I'm not verry font of doing it myself but seeing people make out in public allways make me laugh. In a positive way that is. I love love and seeing two people desperatly in love is just... perfect. As long as it's not going a bit to far I'm fine with it.

On the other hand I'm disgusted with those: OMG I'M SO TOTALLY GONNA MISS YOU CUZ I CAN'T SEE YOU FOR LIEK 3 HOURS SO LET'S MAKE OUT!-couples. But that's a different story.

apart from making out in public being bad etiquette, I'm not really concerned with it. Why should I be concerned with it? Heck, if I had a gf, I'd sure like to kiss her as well, wouldn't I? If the argument then becomes "well, I'm single, and I don't need to see that kind of stuff", then it clearly becomes my issue.

Being offended is an internal state of mind, just not be offended and the problem swiftly goes away

I have a girlfriend, but we never make out in public. We make out in the woods, behind closed doors, or some other private spot. I hate making out in public, feel like a 15 yo boy then

woods are cool.

I don't like seeing people make out in public, a quick kiss or whatever is fine but it's kind of rude if other people are around.

Oh and Discipvlvs I know you don't want a discussion about the gay issue but God doesn't condone homosexuality, I'm not sure if you are a Christian or not though so this could possibly not mean much to you if you aren't.

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a women, that is detestable".

Genesis 19 "Read the whole thing"

Romans 1:27 In the same way the men also abandon natural relations with women and were inflamed with list for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Homosexuality is a perversion sexual morality and acceptance of homosexuality is a sign of a nation nearing the path of total moral corruption. Acceptance of homosexuality is following the path Sodom took which was destroyed by God.

There is no way to justify homosexuality, it is sin and living in sin such as that is living for the world and not God. I will pray for God to show you that homosexuality is wrong, I'm not saying I'm perfect and don't sin though.

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Oh and Discipvlvs I know you don't want a discussion about the gay issue

Then don't.

I hope your future children will be homosexual so maybe one day you'll understand.
Are you also killing people who are working on a sebatday?

So you are mad because I think that homosexuality is wrong and sinful? There is nothing to understand the bible says it's wrong and as a Christian I believe whatever the bible says to be the written word of God, so what I think about it doesn't matter and I will follow Gods word. It's not homosexual people I'm against it's the idea and lifestyle of homosexuality I do not agree with. Say whatever you want I just feel that it's wrong to try in any way to justify homosexuality. And saying "I hope you someday have children that are homosexual" is a horrid thing to say, why would you try to curse someone? Does it anger you that I will not be tolerant of something that blatantly disregards God's will? Why be so hateful of me? I am in no way showing any hate towards you or anyone else.

My young friend...

There are many ways to interpret those scriptures...
Yeah, I considder myself a Christian, so I know well about this discussion... In fact, lad, I have been subject of discussion for many a year, so to say...

I want this forum to be a friendly place, and I just can't stand certain kinds of 'christian' stubborness...

Probably Sneeuwziel is right: you need to get involved to daresee beyond your own habits and traditions... I've seen this many times among my friends and family... Isn't that growth?

As I said: I don't want a discussion here about the morals of gay love, since it's cost me much...

Spare your prayers, my friend... The same God you prayed for has showed me a whole different thing...

This is tha last I say about the subject... As far as I'm concerned this is the end of the discussion... I hope Matt will decide what to do wisely...

Yours faithfully,

Niels...

I have prayed numerous times about this subject and have talked to many people and pastors about it. The interpretation of some passages are pretty straightforward and I stand by them. May God be with you.

First of all you did not answer my question but let's move on shall we.

letlev wrote:

So you are mad because I think that homosexuality is wrong and sinful?

Have I offended you with my answer? Or did I use angry emoticons? If no then why should you think I'm mad?
It takes a lot more to get me angry then disagreeing with my wordly views.

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There is nothing to understand the bible says it's wrong and as a Christian I believe whatever the bible says to be the written word of God, so what I think about it doesn't matter and I will follow Gods word.

Such a shame that these 'written-words-of-God' have been selected by one man. God did not make the Old and New Testament. Man did. There is no proof in any way that every single line in the Gospel is inspired by God. Man changed it to make it fit the culture and financial power of that day. The Gospel tells some truth, but not all. Lots of it has been replaced/ changed and rewritten. Your 'christian'-being is not your faith in God but your faith in man. For it is them who simply raped anything divine.

The only way to find truth is by searching Him, understanding His love, look at the Gospel in different ways and reading scriptures that did not get into your holy blook. That's all that matters.

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It's not homosexual people I'm against it's the idea and lifestyle of homosexuality I do not agree with.

Hate the sin, love the sinner? That's some great way of life my friend.
There are some things in life which truly are a sin. In my eyes it's allmost everything that's negative against another person.
Homosexuality on the other hand does not harm anyone around them what so ever. Not even themselves.
Their way of living does not bother anyone in anyway ( for they are only man and loving ).

In case the scriptures are REALLY against homosexuality ( which I do not agree with ) then I have to say I disagree with the scriptures. In case the prophets are against homosexuality then I have to say I disagree with the prophets. In case God Himself is against homosexuality then I have to say I disagree with God himself. Sounds shocking doesn't it? Well it doesn't if you could simply understand His love. For they are also His children. They're only outcasts because man made them that way.

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And saying "I hope you someday have children that are homosexual" is a horrid thing to say, why would you try to curse someone?

Curse someone? Pardon me? There is nothing wrong with being gay.
Even better. A homosexual person finding it's way to Christ is one of the biggest achievements I've ever heard about.
And you know why? Because of all the people like you who are blocking their way to salvation and happiness.
Because of all the people like you who think they know the truth.

Christ said: ''He who thinks he understands all but does not know himself knows nothing at all''.
Well that's my translation from the dutch verse I do not really now how the english verse goes.
At least homosexuals know who they are, they are closer towards God then those who think they know the truth.
For I know nothing, only the existence of the spirit of Christ. I see the world through my own eyes with His love burning in me, and not through the cover of a gospel.

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Why be so hateful of me? I am in no way showing any hate towards you or anyone else.

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I'm not hateful. Intolerance is a way towards hate. Don't get their lad. It'll be a shame.
In case I made you think I am hateful towards you, my apologies for giving you the wrong interpretation.

Keep in mind that I do not dislike you in any way.
I just do not agree and am verry idealistic, just like you, but different.

Sneeuwziel wrote:

Such a shame that these 'written-words-of-God' have been selected by one man. God did not make the Old and New Testament. Man did. There is no proof in any way that every single line in the Gospel is inspired by God.

If what you say is true, if the Bible was writtin by man alone, I would stop believing immediatly.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

LadyThornball wrote:

If what you say is true, if the Bible was writtin by man alone, I would stop believing immediatly.

No not really, don't get me wrong.
The bible is a selection of (un)inspired writings.
This selection is made by Athanasius ( toenmalig aartsbisschop van Alexandrie ) in 367 AC. This man brought the entire New Testament together. But it is also him who decided what was inspired and what was not. Because of this lots of other writings have been destroyed or simply got lost in time.

Now it's up to you to believe if Athanasius has been right or wrong.
All I can tell you is that the Codex Vaticanus has had a little 14.8000 'corrections' through the years.
This only inspired me to search for other available writings and doubt the 'truth-factor' of the gospel.
The Gospel of Thomas is one of them and it has given me more strength then all other known writings.

It's a motivation to search the truth and not one to stop believing.
For it's out there, somewhere.

But I'm just a dreamer.

Its such a dangerous thing to start to say that some scripture is ok and some is not. I have yet to meet a person who exemplifies Christ enough to even begin to make such a distinction. people usually do this just to justify thier own "godless" behaviour.

We love God, and have faith in His supernatural ability to guide his church in proper ways.

Sebat wrote:

We love God, and have faith in His supernatural ability to guide his church in proper ways.

And didn't our church fail, many times.
Organized religion has made some major mistakes and is still making them.